Jess ([info]jessfire) wrote,
@ 2005-01-05 15:15:00
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It is a hard choice, between sticking by the promises you made to yourself and your world, or revising and changing as your reality changes. This is perhaps the hardest choice of all. How do people dare get married? Is it worth being miserable just because you made a commitment? Is your word to yourself more important than change? A person has to adapt to new circumstance, but a person also has to be reliable. How to balance these two? I have had my whole worldview shaken more than once, and I do not know if I can really trust myself anymore. Do you think adulthood is marked my a certain dis-ease, an uncertainty and displacement of self that was never there before? Twice I was wrong. Once I failed even though I did my best. The great force fate was stronger than me, and I learned I am capable being beaten. And once I believed in a love for a person in the same way I love those few things I thought were indisputable, beyond the reaches of change. But that changed, and that love vanished. So how can I be sure of anything? And India above all else humbled me. I feel like for four years I've been pummeled repeatedly until the last shred of arrogance fled. Perhaps this was what I needed. But it has left me with a deep sense of uncertainty. I believe in making commitments, I believe that it brings depth and meaning to life, and I wholeheartedly believe in following through with them, or else they are so much empty air. But what do you do when things occur that were outside your realm of imagining? Do you make space for that and alter your commitment, honoring it but moving on with the wave of change? Or do you stick to it for the sake of personal integrity?




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[info]sol_invictus_99
2005-01-05 09:12 pm UTC (link)
I believe in the eternal and omnipotent property of Fate - it cannot be altered. The only solution is to maintain unalterable principles while being open to new possibilities and new methods of living a life that reflects those principals. Wouldn't you are any sensible person agree? I have met many unprincipaled, relativist, existentialist people who don't believe in even the idea of principles, and do you know what? They are all disgruntled, saddened slobs with no direction. (Do you want to fall under this category?) They simply cannot embrace the possibility that there is a best way of doing something. The idea of honor, or tradition, or whatever is completely foreign to such idiots, as are any other abstract values (except perhaps despair). Do you want to let yourself become like this? Find your beliefs - find your principles, whatever they may be, and hold to them. Perhaps they will reveal themselves in time, or perhaps you have been ignoring them while rushing about blindly - we all have done this at times. Hold to your principles and do not be influenced by those who have none, or those who will tell you that there is no hope.

While so doing, remember that Fate works in a myriad of ways and you might find yourself presented with unexpected opportunities and paths to achieving what you want while holding true to what you believe. Be open to these, but hold to your principles - this is how I remain optimistic. Above all else, do not be swayed by lesser, pessimistic souls or you will become one. It is an easy trap to fall into and hopeless people are everywhere. It sounds as if your most treasured beliefs are in jeopardy - John LaValle says that "you only fail if you give yourself a time limit." I add to this that there is no failure, only the decisions of Fate. You will solidify as a person again and again throughout life, and this can only come through occasional hardship. "That which does not kill you makes you stronger." Do not give up your valued beliefs for any reason - this can only bring regret.

Trust in Fate. Everything that has happened in your life and the lives of all people has been Fate's choice and will reveal its purpose in hindsight. When you go with Fate, you can do no wrong, no matter what anyone else might tell you. This has always been and always will be the truth.

Be well, and hopeful, in the new year.

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[info]travelertrish
2005-01-06 07:33 am UTC (link)
This is a long discussion, but first of all, it's important to realize that change is the basis of reality. Many changes are predictable, but then there are the wild cards of life, that nobody could have predicted and you never could have planned for. Tsunamis happen.

How DO people get married...and stay married? Lots of people GET married. Only half of them actually stay the course. I think I got married because I had finally learned how to love, how to talk, how not to get caught in a dead end because I could always find the way back to the basic love. I have been miserable in this marriage, but I haven't STAYED miserable. Sometimes, it was the committment that kept us together, and later we were glad because we fell back in love.

There is no way to make anything unchanging. No way to hold on to life and make it sit still. Maybe I'm one of the idiot existentialists the previous commenter is talking about, but the only principle I live by is love. I measure myself by how loving I'm being. I measure others by their capacity to love. I open myself all the way up to people who can open themselves all the way up back.

Does this make any sense?

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[info]gnostraeh
2005-01-06 04:18 pm UTC (link)
One thing you can always be sure of is the breath. You inhale, you exhale. As simplistic as this sounds, deeply breathing into my abdomin... the kind of breathing where your belly expands on the inhale, has gotten me through many an earth shattering, how can I trust my own thinking after this experience, type of situation.

We live, I think, in times where choice and affectation become almost hampering devices to our morals and ethics and how we act them out in our relationships and day to day lives.
Any behavior and choice can be justified, whereas in the not to distant past, and in many other cultures there are codes of ethics which help guide people to lead their lives with integrity. And create an entire set of other limitations. So it's a trade off. Choice, limitation. Limitation, choice.

Be certain of yourself, of your breath, of the miracle and wonder of life itself... and as Trish said, of LOVE. In the end love is what matters, and along the way too.
Our minds and our thoughts want all sorts of things to make sense that never will. I learn this repeatedly in my life. Sometimes I accept it. Other times I fight it until eventually I must accept it or flounder.
Impermanence happens. Change happens. The breath is a certainty while we are living. Actually, the only certainty.

Hope I haven't been to woo woo here, or incomprehensible.

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[info]oldmaninnastix
2005-01-17 12:30 am UTC (link)
well Jessica.. close to 2 centuries of human experience has thus far responded to this LJ entry of yours.. (you're not the first to tackle these essential questions) and one thing is for certain from the replies here is that there are indeed many ways of seeing.

Navigating the Changes with cast-in-concrete principles and belief structures can and most definitely will present serious challenge in an ever changing and diverse world, which is as close as the person you may be with..and (in my way of seeing), a whole lot of unnecessary conflict & suffering will be the result.
Yet.. on the other hand, without belief and principled structures, without the integrity of promises and commitment, does that not leave one completely unreliable and even internally adrift? ..it is not a horrible and scary feeling to have nothing of your own to cling to.

I would suggest that the most walkable path is somewhere in the middle ground. (As for myself I have learned to shy away from the rigid "yes/no" folks..ie: This is how it is, and if you disagree then you are just simply wrong.. and I feel so much more a kinship with the "maybe-so" and "I don't know" people... those folks open to bend with the Changes.. open to permitting me to be me.. regardless of my obvious contradictions.)

Both Trish and Debbi have mentioned the concept of love. ..and I will be the third of your commenters to bring it forth in importance to this thing (called life) we find ourselves engaged in. However, I rarely use the word "love" anymore because it has always seemed to be so lacking in definition, or narrow... overused and inadequate. What I have replaced it with is the rather strong concept of "Caring".. Caring about someone can last a lifetime.. loving someone can turn on a dime as we all know from experience... If you ever have a child of your own you will understand the difference. Of all things things subservient to Life's Changes, Caring is by far and away the thing you can count on more than anything else. People who care for you.. people you genuinely care for.

As writer Katherine Mansfield many years wrote (and I have for over 30 years held close)
"There are in life as many aspects as there are attitudes..
and aspects change with attitudes.
Could we change our attitude, we should not only see life differently,
but life itself would come to be different."

thankyou Katherine.. I needed that.. :-)

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